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1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« le: février 24, 2014, 13:17:18 »
Hello everybody!

Firstly, I would like to apologise for my writing in english. Unfortunately, I don't know french at all, so I'm reading this forum through Google Translate.

Here's my little story.

I bought my Peugeot 404 '1965 5 years ago in quite poor condition, but most parts seem to be original, except radiator, radiator grill and some others (there seemed to be a little accident and the front of the car was repaired with the grill from Volga GAZ-24 and the radiator from Moskvitch  ;D ). At the time I bought it, it was standing still for some years, so all the wheels were stuck. We managed to unblock rear wheels quite easily, but it took about a day of struggle to overcome the front ones. Surely all the break system is out of order.

We tried to start the engine, but the starter was completely silent. I disassembled and repaired the starter, but it still couldn't move the engine. Than we tried to move the car with the gear on, but the engine was completely stuck.

Than it was standing for some time, and lately I continued the repair. During this time I bought some missing parts and books.

The main problem now is to start the engine. Some weeks ago I took off the cylinder head to find out why the engine isn't turning. There was a lot of rust in 1st cylinder. The head is fine, the valves are moving. After an hour of struggle we managed to make one turn, the second one took about 15 minutes :) The third took 1 minute, but it was not the victory. I noticed the vertical gap of about 5mm in 1st cylinder, the others were ok. This meant we need to take off the oil pan. I decided to do it without removing the engine. When I took off the pan, I found that there were no bearings on the first connecting rod at all! That's the reason of the gap. So tomorrow I'm going to take all the engine out of the car to make complete repair. So I'll need your advice about the spare parts that can suit.

Oh, I forgot - the engine is 1.6l carburetor one.

The photos are coming soon!
« Modifié: février 24, 2014, 17:07:32 par Lexx »

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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #1 le: février 24, 2014, 13:29:03 »
Priviet Lexx. Welcome on this forum.  :)
You took a Big challenge when you decided to buy a 404 in Russia!
Hope you'll find solutions here.  :)
Post pictures to make us understand what´s the problem.
Mais y connaît pas Raoul ce mec. Y va avoir un réveil pénible. J’ai voulu être diplomate à cause de vous tous, éviter qu’le sang coule mais maint’nant c’est fini ! Je vais l’travailler en férocité! L’faire marcher à coup d’latte...

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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #2 le: février 24, 2014, 13:50:58 »
Hi Lexx

Welcome among us

Don't worry about your 404 Many people here will be happy to help you

We look forward to your pictures Where are you living in Russia ?

in first time allow me to advise you to read this

http://francis404technique.free.fr/blog/index.php?post/pr%C3%A9paration-des-pi%C3%A8ces-moteur

http://francis404technique.free.fr/blog/index.php?post/Remontage-moteur-Essence

Then you can ask anything about 404

You can also join the 404 club It could be a good start for your restoration  the club can provide some spare parts for a good price

Hope read you soon

Francis

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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #3 le: février 24, 2014, 14:05:38 »
There are about 6 widely known 404s in Russia. Surely somewhere there are some more, but for example I don't know any other one in St.Petersburg, the city I'm living in.

I hope it won't be a great challenge to repair it, because the largest and heaviest parts seem to be ok, and the minor ones can be ordered and received bi mail.

That's the way it saw the car at the first time:



On the way to the new home:



Francis, thank you for the links, I'll study them carefully. I've already bought the repair book in english and downloaded the catalog of parts. The car is not very complicated, though some ideas of french engineers seem strange to me. That's my first french car :)
« Modifié: février 24, 2014, 16:44:29 par Lexx »

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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #4 le: février 24, 2014, 14:13:33 »
Priviet Lexx...
The world of 404 enthusiasts is full of fantastic people. No doubt you will receive efficient support.
On my side I drive (among others) a 1961's 404 and... a 1973's Volga GAZ 24...




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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #5 le: février 24, 2014, 14:37:06 »
The page of horror.

Rust in cylinders (the liquid is some solvent with oil):



Rust in the head. Look terrible, but everything moving.



After rust removal and 2 turns. 1st piston is some mm below the 4th. That was a surprise.



Who stole the bearings????




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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #6 le: février 24, 2014, 15:07:00 »
Nice! What does the sticker "SF" at the back of the car means?
Mais y connaît pas Raoul ce mec. Y va avoir un réveil pénible. J’ai voulu être diplomate à cause de vous tous, éviter qu’le sang coule mais maint’nant c’est fini ! Je vais l’travailler en férocité! L’faire marcher à coup d’latte...

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« Réponse #7 le: février 24, 2014, 15:18:31 »
That's the former sign for Finland.

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« Réponse #8 le: février 24, 2014, 15:41:37 »
That's the former sign for Finland.
Ok, something like Suomi/Finland.
The story of how did this car arrive to Russia must be prêt t'y interesting.
But first the mecanics! ;)
Mais y connaît pas Raoul ce mec. Y va avoir un réveil pénible. J’ai voulu être diplomate à cause de vous tous, éviter qu’le sang coule mais maint’nant c’est fini ! Je vais l’travailler en férocité! L’faire marcher à coup d’latte...

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« Réponse #9 le: février 24, 2014, 16:48:43 »
The page of horror.




Who stole the bearings????




Are you sure the shell has gone???


in your case you have to remove all the parts of you engine , chechk all the measures and conditions and build your negine again

it would  be interresting to know the engine number and the car number

the first one to help you for the spare parts and the other for Mike our canadian friend for the 404 census

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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #10 le: février 24, 2014, 17:17:47 »
Surely I'm going to take out and disassemble the whole engine and then repair it. The things I've done were to find out the problem and if it is possible to repair.

I'm sure there are no bearings on the first rod, the others are present. Although the engine doesn't seem to be working at all after that, which is good news.

Engine and body have number 5035724.
« Modifié: février 24, 2014, 17:23:48 par Lexx »

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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #11 le: février 24, 2014, 17:27:07 »
Interior photo :)


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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #12 le: février 24, 2014, 17:44:10 »
Welcome Lexx.  It would be fantastic if you could get that car going again.  As others have noted, the parts should be easily sourced, especially if you are using the resources and advice of Le Club 404 members.  It would be the classiest car on the road!

Can you tell me what its chassis number is?  That way, I could register the car in Le Club 404's Registry along with the 5000 other 404s.

Best wishes from Canada!
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Re : 1965 404 Sedan from Russia
« Réponse #13 le: février 24, 2014, 18:23:00 »
As I wrote, engine and body have number 5035724. I don't remember if there are other numbers. Can't find the folder with some photos. :)

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« Réponse #14 le: février 24, 2014, 19:41:04 »
Oops, I didn't see that. :o  Well, thanks!!

Best of luck with the restoration...it needs a Peugeot grille instead of that Volga one!
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