First of all I have to say that my French is very « rusty »(more than 20 years ago since I studied French) and especially when it comes to technical matters so I write this in English. If you have an answer to my question please don’t hesitate to post it in French. I read better than expressing myself in French.
I have a Peugeot 404 D 1966. The original engine seems to be an XD88. It was replaced about 13 years ago because cooling liquid started leaking into the oil(the replacement engine seems also to be an XD88). Seems that this was a common problem with this model of engines - faulty liner seals. Some day I am going to repair this old engine and now I have come across a seller that claims that he has two kits of pistons and liners fitting the 404 diesel engine. The problem is that he says that they are called TMD88 - I have never seen this designation before regarding Peugeot engines. I searched the Internet and found a page that claimed that XD.4-88 and TMD88 could use the same liners but I have never seen the XD.4-88 designation either so I don’t know if XD.4-88 and XD88 is the same engine(maybe the page is showing faulty information).
The two kits the seller has differ even though they have the same TMD88 designation.
My question simply is this: Can I use liners and pistons from the TMD88 in an XD88 engine? I guess that the liner seals could be used since the diameter seems to be the same.
bonsoir et bienvenue a toi
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Salut tout le monde,
Tout d’abord, je dois dire que mon français est très « rouillé » (plus de 20 ans depuis que j’ai étudié le français) et surtout quand il s’agit de questions techniques de manière à ce que j’écris en anglais. Si vous avez une réponse à ma question s’il vous plaît n’hésitez pas à l’afficher en français. Je lis mieux que m’exprimer en français.
J’ai une Peugeot 404 D 1966. L’origine du moteur semble être un XD88. Il a été remplacé il ya 13 ans environ, car le liquide de refroidissement a commencé à couler dans l’huile (le remplacement du moteur semble également être un XD88). Semble que c’était un problème avec ce modèle de moteurs - défectueux doublure phoques. Un jour, je vais réparer ce vieux moteur, et maintenant j’ai rencontré un vendeur qui affirme qu’il dispose de deux kits de montage pistons et chemises 404 le moteur diesel. Le problème est que, précise-t-il qu’ils sont appelés TMD88 - Je n’ai jamais vu cette désignation avant en ce qui concerne les moteurs Peugeot. J’ai fouillé l’Internet et a trouvé une page qui a affirmé que XD.4-88 et TMD88 pourraient utiliser les mêmes paquebots, mais je n’ai jamais vu la désignation XD.4-88 soit donc je ne sais pas si XD.4-88 et XD88 Moteur est le même (peut-être que la page affiche des informations erronées).
Les deux trousses, le vendeur a diffèrent, même si elles ont le même TMD88 désignation.
Ma question est simplement ceci: Puis-je utiliser des doublures et des pistons de l’TMD88 dans un XD88 moteur? J’imagine que la doublure phoques pourraient être utilisés puisque le diamètre semble être le même.
Everywhere in the documentation, it’s said that for a 404 D 1966, the original engine is the XD88, that’s right.
Pistons have a diameter of 88 (it’s the reason for the XD88).
In fact, all 404 D from 1964 (only first ones had the diesel engine of 403 with pistons of 85 and 1816 cm3) to the end of production had this famous XD88 (1948 cm3)
I have searched in the documentation I have. XD88 is here but I can’t find anything about TMD88
BUT : I have a short manual about the diesel engine for 403 that is about the injection pump for TMD85.
403 (and first 404 Diesel in 1963) => XD85 and TMD 85 : sure.
404 (1964 and further) XD88 or TMD88 ??
I think XD88 or TMD88 it’s the same engine with a difference about something but I don’t find because unfortunately I haven’t got particular documentation for diesel. The difference sure not concern the diameter of pistons and liners (88 in the two cases and in the two names). If the kit you have found is a 88 diameter kit, it’s certainly the good one.
I’ll look further and perhaps another « 404 guy » will have other informations.
The difference between the TMD85 engine for the 403 and the XDP85 engine is that the first one is a 48cv and the second one is a 55cv.
It should be the same for the TMD88 and XD88 engines. But the pistons and liners kit is the same.
Thank you Argad and Sana for your help and warm welcome! I really appreciate it.
As I understand, buying these two kits would not be a mistake then - sounds good! The seller mentioned that the depth of the combustion chambers seemed to differ so he could not understand if it was the same kind of engine.
I’m from Sweden. I also have a 504 GLD 1977 too. Unfortunately, it has become difficult to find spare parts in Sweden for both my old Peugeots so I have been watching Ebay and the French Ebay sure has interesting stores. Maybe you have some tips on stores elsewhere that sell spare parts for Classic Cars like the 404 and 504?
Bonsoir
Delighted to welcome you among us is a real pleasure for us.
For your 404 pieces tell me what you research that I could find you what you are also looking for 504 soon. 8)
But the seller (who is a very good one) isn’t a « too much speaking person ». The communication is difficult in French, so in English…
When I buy at Série 04, I print the order form and send it with the payment.
The furnitures are delivered in two days by postmail.
For Sweden with an english speaking buyer and the problem of the payment, it may be a little bit more complicated I think.
Why you want to change the set (liner piston) for a cooling water leak ??
in my opinion check cylinder head base and change the C H seal and 4 seals of the liners will be enough
Thank you for this list of sellers! It is a real gold mine! Yes, payment can be a problem. I have used Paypal when buying on Ebay and that has worked fine but that might not be possible in the cases above. What the parts are called in english can be difficult to know and it is even more difficult in french so this is both a handicap for me but when there is a will there is a way.
Yes, Galotta Garage in Argentina has many interesting parts - unfortunately Argentina is quite a long way from Sweden so the shipping cost becomes high quickly. I found brake cylinders for my 404 so I going to order.
You are right in your opinion - that should be enough but since I have come across a person who wants to sell a new set of liners,seals,pistons very cheap I can buy it and repair the engine so it becomes « new ». I guess that there is no shortcut if I just change the seals of the liners or am I wrong? The engine has run for about 200000 km so a general overhaul might not be wrong.